Colbert and the difference between smugness and comedy.
I love the Colbert Report! I can't say why. I am however absolutely certain that I "get the joke" in a way that its non-self-reflective, partisan fans do not.
Colbert is "playing a character," a supposedly non-partisan, independent-minded, hard-hitting pundit gasbag who without a trace of self-consciousness spouts the most inane GOP talking points as if they were nuggets of hard-won personal wisdom achieved through genuine intellectual struggle. He pompously delivers preposterous, shallow, ill-informed judgements about popular culture, and pretends that he has made some sort of deep and penetrating analysis when all he has done is pose inane questions and made himself look foolish. The "Colbert character" is smugly dismissive of anyone who disagrees, especially when they present "facts," which he holds in round contempt when the argument does not go his way. He is mean-spirited, arrogant, preening, and not half as bright as he thinks, and apparently totally unaware of how thoroughly shot through with hidebound ideology his allegedly "no-spin" persona really is.
What a hoot! The obvious target of "Steve" Colbert's satire?
Liberals.
Why can't they see themselves in the mirror?
(Note: I can call him "Steve" because I am so deeply in tune with the true meaning of the show, unlike his silly, deluded studio audiences.)
UPDATE: Once more we see how the ideologues of the Left and Right are saying the same things! They are so partisan and vicious. This comes from Kos:
That is why I am a non-partisan. It could not be more clear that I am on the side of the angels.
Colbert is "playing a character," a supposedly non-partisan, independent-minded, hard-hitting pundit gasbag who without a trace of self-consciousness spouts the most inane GOP talking points as if they were nuggets of hard-won personal wisdom achieved through genuine intellectual struggle. He pompously delivers preposterous, shallow, ill-informed judgements about popular culture, and pretends that he has made some sort of deep and penetrating analysis when all he has done is pose inane questions and made himself look foolish. The "Colbert character" is smugly dismissive of anyone who disagrees, especially when they present "facts," which he holds in round contempt when the argument does not go his way. He is mean-spirited, arrogant, preening, and not half as bright as he thinks, and apparently totally unaware of how thoroughly shot through with hidebound ideology his allegedly "no-spin" persona really is.
What a hoot! The obvious target of "Steve" Colbert's satire?
Liberals.
Why can't they see themselves in the mirror?
(Note: I can call him "Steve" because I am so deeply in tune with the true meaning of the show, unlike his silly, deluded studio audiences.)
UPDATE: Once more we see how the ideologues of the Left and Right are saying the same things! They are so partisan and vicious. This comes from Kos:
i'm pissed. ...everyone of those dems who voted for cloture should be brought downAnd then this from the Free Republic, about the American journalist Jill Carroll currently held hostage in Iraq:
My daughter would have more brains than this women shows....isn't it funny how a pro terrorist journalist can get herself into this trouble..with the very animals she has supported - then we are supposed to feel sorry for her because "what if it was my daughter" well it's not...why should I have any sympathy for a person who gives aid and comfort to the very people who have sworn to kill everyone or enslave I loveOnly the most demented partisan could fail to see the exact moral equivalence here.
That is why I am a non-partisan. It could not be more clear that I am on the side of the angels.
posted by Ann Altmouse at 10:36 PM
69 Comments:
And he said "marry me Oprah", and we all know what that means. I'll guest blog for you while you two honeymoon.
It's a good thing that the internets are not infected with pompous blowhards who deliver shallow, ill informed judgements and are smugly dismissive of anyone who disagrees with them.
Its a very good thing.
teh intarweb is a partisan invention.
someone needs to spend some time in sincere self reflection
He'd never touch you, Annie. You're dirt.
hey, yah! I always think of blood when I see that cloture thing. Erp. Get it out of here.
And I thought he was poking fun at Bill O'Reilly. Silly me.
When people tell you that they get a joke you know: they're white, republican, and nope, don't get the joke.
They do get truthiness, however.
Note that Jon Stewart gets the top of the hour.
Anonymous, that is an extremely partisan comment. I am of course not a Republican, and I get jokes all the time. And while I am "white," I have several black friends, all of whom think I am extremely "hip," as they put it in their "jive" idiom. You need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
to inject a dose of truthiness... colbert clearly acknowledges being a liberal in a recent interview with campus progress. so if your theory is right and his target is liberals, its self-parody. but frankly, his style is WAAAY too close to o'reilly's and his show was promoted so heavily as being inspired by o'reilly and his ilk that i suspect you are digging deeper than necessary.
http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/
directed at liberals, but funny for everyone
Perhaps his satire comprehension skills need a bit more fine tuning as well. LOLLERSKATES!!
I have several black friends, all of whom think I am extremely "hip," as they put it in their "jive" idiom. You need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
I can well believe it. What dusky-hued son of Ethiop could fail to perceive that you're "reet, petite, and gone"?
Is it true that when Black people mean to say that something is good, they say that it's "bad"? Or are the fellows down at the comic-book shop having me on?
are you serious? nonono, you can't be that dense. if our fathers are our model for god, what does that say about god?
Can someone please clear up this whole conservative liberal thing for me please? I understand that "Steve" is a liberal, and that he's doing a send-up of cable news talk shows, but last I checked O'Reilly was a conservative, but as Altmouse asserts in her non-partisan wisdom, that he's really doing a sendup of . . . Liberals? Does that mean that O'Reilly is really a liberal? Or is she referring to the plastic democrats that Fox trotts out now and again? I am soooo confused! Or is O'Reilly really a liberal doing a sendup of a conservative doing a liberal? Or do "Jon" and "Steve" just do comedy beter than Fox? Or is W. really just "Jon" in a mask so he can get good material? HELP!
Whoa... this thread is waaaaay too postmodern. These damned conservatives and their nuanced senses of humor... feh
Obviously, Ann, Stephen thinks of you as his Charlene.
Wow. "Voted out of office" = "kidnapped and murdered." That's some moral equivalence you've got there.
And before you tell me that Carroll deserves what happens to her, please be aware that saying so would be to agree with her captors.
As I recall, voting in representative that you like and voting out those you don't is, uh, democracy. How on earth can anyone have a problem with that? We're Americans. That's what we do. That's what our beloved president was exhorting all the citizens of the world to do last night in the SOTU. Please tell me what is wrong with that.
This is neutrality?
Unless you're kidding, of course. Duh.
I love Altmouse! I can't say why. I am however "absolutely" certain that I get her joke.
Altmouse is "playing a character," a supposedly non-partisan, independent-minded, hard-hitting "hip" chick who, as an ironic claymation persona, spouts the most inane blog posts as if they were nuggets of hard-won personal wisdom achieved through genuine intellectual struggle. She preposterously delivers pompous, shallow, ill-informed judgements about popular culture, and pretends that she has made some sort of deep and penetrating analysis.
Altmouse and the difference between comedy and smugness.
Ah, it seems that even the best satire lands in its intended targets' blind spots. blackpeopleloveus.com is as much directed at the Liberals as TCR is (hint: not so much). It is aimed at the same narcissistic token-gesturing nincompoops who might rationalize that "Condi + Colin" trumps the "R" word for a good eight years. Particularly in places like, oh, I don't know--NOLA? My good friend Kanye has addressed this much more succinctly. Or perhaps he was talking about the Liberals, too?
Just because Colbert claims his character is based on O'Reilly there is no reason you shouldn't indulge in truthiness on the matter.
When, at times like this, it becomes impossible to tell the difference between satire and earnestness, this whole blogaweb thingie ceases to be much use. And I'm referring to your post, not Steve-baby whose real name is Ted Hitler anyway.
-j
Mirror, mirror, on the wall
Who's the fairest
of them all?
Hmmm...
In my line of work, patients who tell you that the TV is delivering messages specifically aimed at them, usually reveal the entire picture of Chronic Paranoid Schizophrenia upon more complete questioning. Other telling symptoms include:
- frequent use of terms of reference (idiosyncratic jargon)
- flattening of affect and concrete thinking (no sense of humor)
- delusions of grandeur
- delusions of persecution
Clearly Bill O'Reilly, for example, has the full syndrome. Take warning from his sad case of untreated CPS, and if you have more of these symptoms than the TV talking back to you, please seek professional help before it is too late, and Fox offers you a slot, or something equally life-destructive happens to you and the world we live in.
Indubitably, there can be no doubt that even the most unyielding and rancorous partisans will sometimes find it impossible not to appreciate just how picayune is the assumption that satire when deployed so languidly and quoquoversedly ceases to function for all intents and purposes as the bright scapel which since time immemorial has been deftly used to pucture the hypocrisy and sham of those who failed to grasp the existential absurdity of hewing irrationally to positions that are untenable for anyone who has any hope of being taken seriously as a person to whom those of us who prefer not to engage in adolescent humor in regards to matters of such importance should listen.
I hope I've made myself quite clear.
I read an interview with a popular comedian once, who is as non-partisan as you can be when you are in showbiz, where they asked him why he did about 90% of his stuff about Republicans and conservatives. He said, very simply, because they are in power. The Dems/libs haven't been in power for over 30 years now in a meaningful way, so its not resonant to really crack on them too hard, you might as well make jokes about the Whigs. Sure the Dems do ridiculous stuff and there are really comical lib figures (Moore, Sheehan, Carter, Kennedy etc) but they have no power. Piling on just seems silly.
If you ever win an election again, and actually pass some lib programs (8 years of Clinton, what did you get but him elected 2x and then dodging being booted from office when he was impeached- but what did you really gain? nada)
The Reps are passing laws daily, changing tax laws, stacking every level of the federal courts, Rep bureaucrats are re-writing regulations, changing policy and basically remaking the entire government in their image.
But hey, you take what victories you can get, huh Altmouse? Woo-hoo, the Republicans are getting roasted on the Colbert report! That'll show 'em!!! Letterman and Conan make fun of Bush too! The Repugs are so pwned!!! That totally takes the sting out of Alito's ascension to the SCOTUS!!! w00t!!
heh indeed
PWNED!!!!1!111!!
one of the anonymice wrote:
Does that mean that O'Reilly is really a liberal?
No.
What it means is what it always means
(and doc can back me up on this, in a non-partisan way):
"Michael Moore is fat."
Ultimate argument. End of discussion.
Man, you are some funnie. This is so Colbert. Wow. Funnie.
And tonight's Word(TM) is: Gloating. Some say it is a sign of insecurity or low self esteem, but really nothing could be further from The Truth(TM). Why, Gloating is as natural as heterosexuality or going on a junket with a lobbyist. It is a civilized version of the euphoria felt by a coloured after scoring a touchdown. Cuz, when you're on top, baby, you grind your shiny jackboot into the loozers necks, just so they'll be sure to think of you while they're idly whiling their days away sharpening their guillotines or whatever it is they do with their miserable lives!
(8 years of Clinton, what did you get but him elected 2x and then dodging being booted from office when he was impeached- but what did you really gain? nada)
Hmmm. Outside of average economic growth of 4 percent per year; and the longest period of uninterrupted economic growth in American history; and the lowest unemployment rates in 30 years; and the lowest unemployment rates for African-Americans and Hispanics ever recorded; and massive deficit reduction; and reduced government spending; and a budget surplus; and a debt pay-down of $363 billion...I can't think of a thing.
I've longed maintained that the best satire is indistinguishable from the object of the satire.
I learned that from reading The Realist during the 60's.
In today's world, The Daily Show and The Colbert Report are the masters of that kind of satire on TV.
How many levels of ironic detachment can we count here?
Presumably, the "O'Reilly character" as invented by Roger Ailes, counts as one level. (The guy didn't go to Harvard Business School for nothing; it was to learn how to market a character).
Second level is Colbert's character. Then Altmouse. Then the comments that compare her to blackpeoplelovesus. Then the comments that correct the comparison.
Then me.
This could go on all night.
I can't believe no one has mentioned Ann Althouse, who, writing from Madison, WI, is clearly a liberal nonpartisan parody of Altmouse, a conservative nonpartisan who appreciates the conservative partisan Colbert posing as a liberal lampooning conservative Bill O'Reilly. I stumbled on her site the other day and thought to myself, "I wonder if the way Althouse mocks conservatives by doing a Malkin-on-prozac imitation of Altmouse borders on infringement?" At the time, of course, I was in a particularly reflective mood, having cut my fingernails too short that morning in a particularly painful way.
hey Phila, temporary stuffs dun count- its gotta be decades long lasting stuff, like supreme court justices, 100's of fed appeals court and district judges, knocking the Taliban or Saddam out of power, real stuff like that.
Getting the unemployment rate down temporarily or short term growth of GNP (which we are matching now) is a big whoop once you're out of office babycakes.
shorter doc:
"I've got mine, Jack!"
Come to think of it, that's conservatism in a nutshell isn't it? Jesus would be so proud.
Ann,that your logic is flawed is as obvious as your lack of a sense of humor. Unfortunately, it is something that can't be purchased, or there would be more amusing rightwingers around. Meanwhile we're stuck with a pretend cowboy in the White House, whose alternative to oil guzzling is a word he can't pronouce correctly. Why don't you work on that problem, and worry less about being on the the side of the angels.
Horatio
doc said:
" knocking the Taliban or Saddam out of power, real stuff like that. "
Yeah, decades long lasting stuff like that.
Or saddling future generations with greater national debt...
Or besmirching America's global moral leadership...
Or guaranteeing millions will live their lives in poverty...
Or turning the planet into a cesspool...
This review simply exudes truthiness.
look at the wall behind you ann, the "joke" landed above your head.
You have to be a special kind of twit (or maybe just "playing one", eh?) to believe that a statement calling for elected officals who do not honor the wishes of their constituents to lose their seats is morally equivolent to cheering for someones kidnapping and murder.
I guess we have all found that special kind of twit...
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Uh, his target isn't Liberals: it's the media and those with status... O'Reilly to be exact (and absolutely not liberals... watch 'The Word' from last night - 2/1)
http://www.avclub.com/content/node/44705
AVC: You're saying appearances are more important than objective truth?
SC: Absolutely. The whole idea of authority—authoritarian is fine for some people, like people who say "Listen to me, and just don't question, and do what I say, and everything will be fine"—the sort of thing we really started to respond to so well after 9/11. 'Cause we wanted someone to be daddy, to take decisions away from us. I really have a sense of [America's current leaders] doing bad things in our name to protect us, and that was okay. We weren't thrilled with Bush because we thought he was a good guy at that point, we were thrilled with him because we thought that he probably had hired people who would fuck up our enemies, regardless of how they had to do it. That was for us a very good thing, and I can't argue with the validity of that feeling.
But that has been extended to the idea that authoritarian is better than authority. Because authoritarian means there's only one authority, and that authority has got to be the President, has got to be the government, and has got to be his allies. What the right-wing in the United States tries to do is undermine the press. They call the press "liberal," they call the press "biased," not necessarily because it is or because they have problems with the facts of the left—or even because of the bias for the left, because it's hard not to be biased in some way, everyone is always going to enter their editorial opinion—but because a press that has validity is a press that has authority. And as soon as there's any authority to what the press says, you question the authority of the government—it's like the existence of another authority. So that's another part of truthiness. Truthiness is "What I say is right, and [nothing] anyone else says could possibly be true." It's not only that I feel it to be true, but that I feel it to be true. There's not only an emotional quality, but there's a selfish quality.
AVC: That sort of gets to the essence of the character you play on The Colbert Report. He's appealing because he tells people how to think.
SC: "Don't worry your pretty little head. Open wide, baby bird, because poppa's got a fat nightcrawler of truth for you."
AVC: What about Bill O'Reilly and similar figures makes them so ripe for satire?
SC: Status is always ripe for satire, status is always good for comedy. And they have the highest possible status—and that's what we've tried to amplify with everything on the show. Everything on the show has my name on it, every bit of the set. One of the things I said to the set designer—who has done everything, I mean even Meet The Press, he does that level of news design—was "One of your inspirations should be [DaVinci's painting] The Last Supper." All the architecture of that room points at Jesus' head, the entire room is a halo, and he doesn't have a halo." And I said, "On the set, I'd like the lines of the set to converge on my head." And so if you look at the design, it all does, it all points at my head. And even radial lines on the floor, and on my podium, and watermarks in the images behind me, and all the vertices, are right behind my head. So there's a sort of sun-god burst quality about the set around me. And I love that. That's status.
We just try everything we can to pump up my status on the show. There are no televisions behind me, like the way [NBC Nightly News anchor] Brian Williams has, or even [Daily Show host] Jon [Stewart]. At certain angles, there are monitors behind Jon that have the world going on, which implies that that's where the news is, and that's where the information is, and the person in front of it is the conduit through which this information is given to you. But on my set, I said, "I don't want anything behind me, because I am the sun. It all comes from me. I'm not channeling anything. I am the source."
http://www.avclub.com/content/node/44705
AVC: It seems like you're actively cultivating a cult of personality on the show.
SC: That's exactly what those are, these are all personality shows. It doesn't matter what they're saying. Doesn't matter what the news is, it's how this person feels about the news, and how you should feel about the news. It is also the personality. I'm not playing it nearly as hard as someone like O'Reilly or [Sean] Hannity does.
AVC: It's kind of a burlesque of that.
SC: Right. Sometimes I feel like maybe we should cut back on the burlesque, and really try to do that in a more sincere fashion, and it would really make it stronger. I find the branding that goes on in real news at times funnier than what I do. It's just so shocking to hear descriptions of [Fox Report anchor] Shepard Smith, you know: "Changing the world! He gives 110 percent!" Our problem is, there's no level of hyperbole that can be associated with me that hasn't at least been approached by the real thing.
AVC: How can you come up with satire more penetrating than the fact that O'Reilly wrote a book called The O'Reilly Factor For Kids at the same time that he was having all those problems with sexual harassment?
SC: Shamelessness is a wonderful part of the character.
AVC: There's an innate appeal to demagogues, and your show plays on that. Is it fun to be playing a character who's so insanely narcissistic? Is there any element of it that's cathartic?
SC: It's hard. It is fun, because mostly it's getting laughs. The audience seems to be responding to it, so that's the fun part. But the character can be tough, because it's hard for me to maintain the level of self-assurance that someone like O'Reilly has all the time. He was so admirable in a way when he was on Letterman, because he really was kind of unflappable. He was bigger than any venue he's in. And that's a hard thing to achieve. I'd love to be able to believe that for short periods of time. I'm afraid if I did that completely well, I'd never be able to turn it off. How great would it be to feel that great about yourself?
AVC: Do you find it constricting to have to be in character throughout the entire show?
SC: There are practical ways in which it's limiting. If something goes wrong on the show, it's not as natural to deal with it in an improvisational way than if I were just myself. If I were just myself, I could just call us on our own ineptitude. There's another layer that you have to lay on top of a mistake on my show, because the show is perfect. From our point of view, there are no mistakes. "This is good, that's a discovery. We don't have the footage? Fine, you know what? I'll just do this. I'll draw a picture of what he looks like." We did that once on the show when we didn't have the footage that we thought, so I drew a picture of the footage that I thought we had, and the graphic that I thought we had that we didn't. And those were discoveries in rehearsal, based on what I thought we had on the show. I'm not sure if I could have done that on the fly during the show. Whereas Jon is Jon, and Jon can name the moment in ways that I eventually will, but this character isn't so much in my bones that I can do it automatically now. It's also a freeing sense. Jon couldn't say on camera that he thinks Rosa Parks was overrated, because that's a hateful thing to say. But this character can get away with it, because the audience on some level knows [he doesn't] mean it.
AVC: When you interview people on the show, you're interviewing them in character. How do the guests respond to that?
SC: Some know what to do and some don't. Some people want to be faithful and kind of making fun, and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I think it makes guests more nervous than they would be on another show. You go on Charlie Rose, and it's gonna be standard questioning and you can just respond, but people aren't entirely sure whether my character likes what they have to say or not. They don't know whether there's gonna be a moment of attack journalism. I try not to make it that way. I try to make it as comfortable as possible.
[snip]
AVC: Jon Stewart recently said he sees The Colbert Report as sort of a 30-minute Daily Show segment. Do you see it as an extension of The Daily Show?
SC: I sort of see The Daily Show as a 30-minute preamble. It's like an appetizer before you get to the main course.
AVC: Do you think the sensibility is pretty much the same?
SC: Absolutely. This is a direct extension of the work they did on The Daily Show, and it plays very much the same game as my character, who is a well-intentioned, poorly informed, high-status idiot.
AVC: It seems like it's much more an overt parody of O'Reilly.
SC: Right, sure, O'Reilly, Hannity, there's a little bit of Lou Dobbs, where he rides the same story over and over again, the attention to sartorial detail like Anderson Cooper, absolutely bullheaded holding onto an idea, no matter how shallowly considered, like Hannity, and almost a physical aggressiveness that O'Reilly has. O'Reilly's the easiest one to reference, because he's the most popular. He's the one everyone's gonna understand. And he also does it best. He's an incredibly aggressive performer. We try to include a little bit of all of them.
Yeah, O'Reilly, Hannity, Lou Dobbs... all flamming liberals.
Try to Watch TV a bit closer next time.
look at the wall behind you ann, the "joke" landed above your head.
You have that in common.
there is no question that if you can come to this blog, read what ann wrote, read any 75% of the comments, and still not get at least that the WHOLE THING IS A JOKE, fine not the essence of the joke, but at least that kidding is occuring--well, your teh intrawebs card should be revoked.
seriously.
oh, having said that, altmouse is making a serious point. it's the opposite of the one you think she's making. possibly.
I do hope that Altmouse is assigned to the same "detention cell block" as I am..got a few things to tell her about real terrorism
I have many gay and lesbian friends, but no black friends. Can we trade?
Dear Ann,
No, you don't get it. Keep watching.
You know, just the other day as I was sitting in a coffee shop listening to Kenny G on my nano, I had a very similar thought. It's about the whole wiretapping thing. Liberals seem to be upset with the program because it might lead president Bush to actually capture Saddam Hussein, thereby prooving for all time that he is a great leader in the war on terror. Meanwhile, some conservatives also oppose the program, on the grounds that they think it violates fundamentally American constitutional rights, endowed by our creator.
As the sublime saxophony elevated my consciousness, all I could think was how disappointing it was that there could be no grand coalition opposed to the program. If only the secret motives of liberals weren't so base and evil, it would be possible to protect Bush from his overzealous instincts.
Quite a shame that liberals aren't willing to work with us sensible moderates on this position, don't you agree, Ms. Altmouse?
knocking the Taliban or Saddam out of power, real stuff like that.
I suggest you bone up on the situation in Afghanistan.
Can't tell... if supposed to be funny or not... which is funny... which is in turn not funny...
This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down.
If the problem persists, call the program vendor.
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Some commenters seem to think this blog is a "joke." That is not true! I have merely held the mirror up to the prejudices of the "liberals" who do not get the real "joke" of the Steve Colbert Report. They are screeching because they see their own sexism and hatred reflected back at them. You cannot have a conversation with blind partisans like that! They do not know that Steve is laughing at them and telling me jokes.
Phila, you consistently offer nonarguments. Shape up or face deletion.
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